tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7228060262630467486.post4827822371181453535..comments2023-09-07T12:49:12.452+01:00Comments on Porta Caeli: Reordering realitiesPatriciushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7228060262630467486.post-64768394581476793472011-06-03T00:44:37.984+01:002011-06-03T00:44:37.984+01:00Jan Baker. Thanks for your comment. I agree that &...Jan Baker. Thanks for your comment. I agree that "reverent gestures" do not guarantee good theology. For instance, I have long been puzzled by people genuflecting before altars where the Blessed Sacramentis not present. Similarly it is not the use of lace vestments that determines an old rite or Extraordinary Form mass. Style should not trump substance.<br /><br />I am not sure I understand your point about the 2nd Vatican Council.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7228060262630467486.post-17231789454874545382011-06-01T13:07:21.430+01:002011-06-01T13:07:21.430+01:00Hi, Patricius, hope you are well. Loved the post b...Hi, Patricius, hope you are well. Loved the post but am increasingly convinced that the assumptions we have about 'reverent gestures' not being able to coincide with bad theology, are not perhaps correct. This is because I sometimes go to an indult site where the lace fairly drips from the air, and the choir is world famous, but as soon as mass is over it is as if a switch were thrown. And, then, the bad theology is apparent during the sermons.<br /><br />If reverent liturgy meant heresy were banished, there'd never have been a high church liturgy. <br /><br />So it seems more true now--when those who gave us the changes of Vatican II have discovered the traditional liturgy as a source of enrichment--than ever that we absolutely must deal with the teachings of the council.Jan Bakerhttp://thewhitelilyblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7228060262630467486.post-59715871407008076112011-05-31T22:50:33.883+01:002011-05-31T22:50:33.883+01:00Thanks, Ben Trovato. I think it is of a piece, so ...Thanks, Ben Trovato. I think it is of a piece, so to speak, with your post "Catholic Instincts".Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7228060262630467486.post-64067078203411287142011-05-31T09:19:40.784+01:002011-05-31T09:19:40.784+01:00Good post. I am reminded of a quotation I heard y...Good post. I am reminded of a quotation I heard years ago, I think from an Australian poet, though I have never been able to trace it and kick myself for not writing the chap's name down at the time. Anyway, he said: 'That which we omit, we teach will not be missed.' In that light the impact of so many changes since the 60s is more apparent.Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.com